More carnage *disclaimer - This is a bit nasty looking

[David Moore]

I practice fakies and manuals nearly everyday on the STP. Today I decided to play around on my boys Haro BMX.
Big mistake. The bike is really fun but handles differently than I'm used to.
I ended up bashing my shin REALLY FREAKING HARD:eek:
The pictures are only a few minutes after it happened and I had cleaned up the blood that had drained to my sock...anyways see the pics.
Ultimately I decided to go to the doc. The Dr glued up the cuts and I got a tetanus shot.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o140/dmooreonline/BashedShin1-2.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o140/dmooreonline/BashedShin1-1.jpg

[BigRingTravis]

Man - If you're into that kind of stuff, these are what you need!!!

Shin Burger Pedals (http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Pedal/product_22385.shtml)

:thumb:

[TNcaveman]

Ouch-e-wa-wa That looks painful. :crutch: Hope it heals up fast.

Steve

[twolfcon]

That looks rough.
Oh, that reminds me.
I've got to go flip my hamburgers. :big_grin:

Mike M

[Ricky D]

I always knew you were masochistic riding those single speed rigid contraptions and all. Now there's proof. :lol:

[David Moore]

I've been riding with no knee and shin protection for quite awhile now since it's been so hot. Should of seen it coming.

Travis those pedals look like they could sever a leg:eek:

The wife was outside with my daughter when it happened. All I could say was OWWWWwwwww!!! and sort of hopped off the bike and hobbled a few steps before taking a look. By then blood had already made it from the larger uppermost cut to my socks.

The pedal took a nice sample of leg hair as well but no tissue samples :big_grin:

[meanjoe]

Ouch!!! Looks like it felt great. That glue stuff is pretty good. I found out that it's pretty much the same as super glue and in a pinch super glue can be used. I cut my eye a couple of days ago while riding (or falling off) a jet ski and had it glued up nice.

Heal fast. Safety first!

Adam

[TryFour]

That'll build some character!:big_grin:

[David Moore]

LOL, I rode the Ewok village today for the first time.

I didn't do the 2 largest drops(9 lives and ..elbow?) but did the sixer at the beginning to the ramp and also the part with the dirt landing, no issues.

Took the ramp to the platform and then off the 7-8 foot drop to ramp about 3-4 times.
The last time I took it I got up to the platform and botched it somehow. I lost all momentum and failed a pedal kick off to the ramp. The bike fell between the platform and ramp and I landed on and rolled down the ramp.
I thought I was fine for a few seconds but then my hands started hurting. The left is ok for the most part but the right is jacked up fairly well and swelled up in the meaty area below the thumb. Apparently that took the brunt of the hit

That ended my riding for today but I managed to help RMB Mike get a little work done before the swelling/soreness became to much for me to deal with.

At best though, I'd rather get hurt on a bike anyday as some other way:peace:

Mike, thanks for the invite down. The village is awesome. Hopefully I'll progress to the biggest drops soon.
It was good to see you again and I enjoyed our conversation.

Now where is the Ibuprofen and ice?

[twolfcon]

David, your making me look like a wimp for compaining about my crash at L4 last week.
Your a trooper! :thumb:

Mike M

[Uzzi]

Because of the heat, I've been lax in wearing pad myself. You have just encouraged me to get back on the pad-wearing wagon again.

[RMB_mike]

David's crash today has caused me to rethink the whole platform launch layout. The ramp launches you too 'up' and you lose too much speed that way, add that to the only about 8 feet of flat surface on the top of the platform for you to build some speed to go off the platform drop, and you have what happens to David.

I did almost the same thing a few weeks ago, but I managed to stop right at the edge of the platform. It was so close that my feet were at the edge and I had to grab my bike to keep it from falling over.

We're either going to have to re-transition the ramp to where it doesn't launch you so 'up', and where you can keep your speed.
I think a ramp with a looser transition like the Elbow Drop landing ramp would work better. It would still launch you high enough to get on the platform, but not at such a steep angle to where you would lose crucial speed.
Or we could back the ramp up a few feet, then extend a portion of the platform (only as wide as the ramp) proportionally to the ramp; that would allow for more surface to get some speed.

[Uzzi]

The problem with that is that the platform is too short.

David - you were riding in the land of Captain Freeride and weren't wearing pads? You are truly inspirational!

[RMB_mike]

The problem with that is that the platform is too short.
For the way that the launch ramp is transitioned, I would 100% agree. But if we can retransition the launch to where you can stil get enough air to clear the lip of the platform, yet not launch you so straight up to where you lose speed, the platform would be fine. However, if we back up the launch ramp and extend the platform, that will leave less approach room coming from the sixer/trapezoid, etc. So I'm faced with a hard choice there.


David - you were riding in the land of Captain Freeride and weren't wearing pads? You are truly inspirational!
No, he had pads on; skate lid, shin guards, elbow pads and gloves. The problem is that he somehow landed on his wrist.

[David Moore]

David - you were riding in the land of Captain Freeride and weren't wearing pads? You are truly inspirational!

Oh yeah, I had everything on for that excursion, LOL!!
For general street riding I had been leaving them off but that is a mistake that will not be repeated:big_grin:

My wrist is actually ok. It's the meaty part of my palm/thumb that got hammered.

After I got home I had taken off my shirt to go change. My wife then said 'Aw honey!' due to a nice big scuff on my back. I still don't feel any pain there so it is just aesthetic:big_grin: :twitcy:

[Paddlechris]

David sorry dude that looks like some fun stuff..


RMB Mike.. I think you could move the elbows landing to the launch up and build a 45 (like the 9 lives for the elbow landing, that would make it much more smooth.. not many landings are to a kicker tranny... :thumb:

C

[RMB_mike]

David sorry dude that looks like some fun stuff..


RMB Mike.. I think you could move the elbows landing to the launch up and build a 45 (like the 9 lives for the elbow landing, that would make it much more smooth.. not many landings are to a kicker tranny... :thumb:

C

What Kenny and I decided earlier this evening is that we will probably take the launch out and place it in the meadow*. We'll take the meadow launch ramp (or possibly a similar sized one) and will place it about 15 farther towards the road. Then we're going to extend a 'pier' out from the platform towards the little launch and will have a down transition (a curved 'roll up'). That way you will still have a step up, but it will be a little easier. You will be able to launch up onto the roll up and even if you have little speed when you land, you'll still have plenty of room to get the speed necessary to roll off the Platform Drop.
It won't have as much pucker factor, but will still have plenty of brain candy and neat factor.
As for the Elbow Drop landing. All three of the drops at Ray's have transitioned drop landings. Plus, if you ever ride any of the street course at Rays, the half pipe ramps are curved transitions too. I think I like it more than the 9 Lives Drop (which is not taking away from it at all; it's still awesome).
I think once you get used to the shifting of the transition, you would find it easy. I think it transfers the weight from down to forward more efficiently than the flat landing ramps.
Dave, let me know if you want to come down and ride before October. That goes for you too Chris, and ur-body else too.


*As for the platform launch that's going into the meadow, we'll probably recut and relax the transitions a bit so we can get a bit more distance than we could get with it like it is now.

[Paddlechris]

:hijack: Sorry Dave.. the shin looks bad dude... Pads and flats...

C




As for the Elbow Drop landing. All three of the drops at Ray's have transitioned drop landings. Plus, if you ever ride any of the street course at Rays, the half pipe ramps are curved transitions too. I think I like it more than the 9 Lives Drop (which is not taking away from it at all; it's still awesome).


I feel ya but different set ups.. Rays is really set up for DJ style bikes and is more urban than true OG mountain type riding.. the three drops at rays are straight down no need to go out, just roll let the bike drop down.. the half pipes all are from ramps that shoot you up so you are coming down, much like a double or large jump. the street course is a wood version of a DJ dirt series of ramps, big, but you are coming up then down.

If you ever ride at a Freeride park (Snowshoe, Diablo, Whistler) all drops that are large and have a gap that require speed like the elbow, have 45 style landing ramps, it allows for more rider variation and does not require as precise a landing.. and even better it is safer..

whistler

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1092500071033812986PGXlbk?vhost=sports

You can see the 45 under the drop to a stright hill run off
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1090221643033812986cAZenx?vhost=sports


http://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/514/102713flow2.jpg



C

[RMB_mike]

I feel ya but different set ups.. Rays is really set up for DJ style bikes and is more urban than true OG mountain type riding.. the three drops at rays are straight down no need to go out, just roll let the bike drop down.. the half pipes all are from ramps that shoot you up so you are coming down, much like a double or large jump. the street course is a wood version of a DJ dirt series of ramps, big, but you are coming up then down.

If you ever ride at a Freeride park (Snowshoe, Diablo, Whistler) all drops that are large and have a gap that require speed like the elbow, have 45 style landing ramps, it allows for more rider variation and does not require as precise a landing.. and even better it is safer..

C

I understand, but at any rate, the Elbow Drop landing ramp is staying like it is. Kenny likes it, I like it and everyone that has been out there has went off it. Kenny and Tim are the only ones that have crashed on (or right after) it so far. And if you go fast enough off it, you will clear the curved transition altogether and hit the flat, lower part of the ramp.
If you don't feel comfortable going off it, there are 3 (soon to be 4) other drops out there with a flat 45 degree landing ramp to them that you can rock.

/hijack

[Paddlechris]

:peace:

Cool... Rock on.. C

[Chewieez]

with a flat 45 degree landing ramp


huh, huh, you said flat and 45 degree angle in the same sentence.... ummm I'm confused!


haha
:big_grin: :big_grin:

[RMB_mike]

huh, huh, you said flat and 45 degree angle in the same sentence.... ummm I'm confused!


haha
:big_grin: :big_grin:

haha...sorry.

A flat-surfaced(as opposed to curved/transitioned surface), 45 degree landing ramp.
That should alleviate the confusion.

Paddle, per the PM I sent you, just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't being condescending. I made the E.D. lander curved for spice/variety.

[Uzzi]

Well for the record - I did not crash but slammed my right arm against a tree. I would have to blame that on the poor design of the curved landing ramp. It's interesting you mention that if one clears the curved part of the landing ramp and lands on the flat part then one would not have any problem. It would seem to think that by your own admission that a flat landing ramp would be better. However, it's a lot of work to change out a landing ramp. You can't exactly go to Home Depot and pick one up. Other than the landing ramp to the elbow drop and the 45 degree launch at the end of the roller coaster, I would say that the Ewok Villiage is VERY well engineered and a lot of fun.

Also - you said that only Kenny and I had a problem on the landing. Well, how many people have ridden it? If it was 10 people that have done that, then 20% of the riders are having trouble with the landing. I consider Kenny a pretty good rider and to me that would be an indication as to whether it was a good design or not.

You also have asked for suggestions and ideas in the past but it seems like all of our ideas get shot down. Don't worry, you won't be getting any more ideas or suggestions from me! But hey, it's yours and Kenny's trail and you all ride the stuff all the time so if I was you I'd leave it the way that you like it and not worry about other's opinions.

[RMB_mike]

Well for the record - I did not crash but slammed my right arm against a tree. I would have to blame that on the poor design of the curved landing ramp. It's interesting you mention that if one clears the curved part of the landing ramp and lands on the flat part then one would not have any problem. It would seem to think that by your own admission that a flat landing ramp would be better.

I personally don't think a flat landing ramp is better. Everyone else does. I should have iterated that.
And I mentioned clearing the curved part and hitting the flat part for people who do have a problem with the curved transition.
Other than going too fast off it one day and clearing almost the whole landing ramp and bottoming my rear susp. out one day, I have no problem with the Elbow Drop. I haven't even had one shaky landing on it. And I've lost count on how many times I've went off it. I dunno; maybe it's from my skating days on a ramp that got me used to the transitioned ramps.



45 degree launch at the end of the roller coaster
I wasn't the one who designed or built that.



Also - you said that only Kenny and I had a problem on the landing.
Not so much on the landing or landing ramp itself, but after you cleared the ramp.


Well, how many people have ridden it?
You, me, Scarf, Holstien, Eric, Jeremiah, and Kenny. However, we have all hit it more than once. So we should say that there has been all of two problems out of how many times it's been rocked.
Like I said, Kenny likes it. Kenny's also crashed on the Platform Drop, but that doesn't mean he dislikes it. I crashed hard on the meadow launch a few weeks ago; doesn't mean I dislike it.
And before I forget, the landing ramp has been moved out a few feet from where it was when you guys rode it. K and I both agree that it feels better with a bigger gap anyway. Maybe you will think so when you come out and hit it again.



You also have asked for suggestions and ideas in the past but it seems like all of our ideas get shot down.
What other suggestions have you made that have been shot down?
And if you have paid attention, you will know that the platform launch is getting redone, by reason of suggestions and crashes.
We still have plenty of suggestions that are still in queue; meaning that we have suggestions for stuff that we haven't even started.

[RMB_mike]

You also have asked for suggestions and ideas in the past but it seems like all of our ideas get shot down. Don't worry, you won't be getting any more ideas or suggestions from me! But hey, it's yours and Kenny's trail and you all ride the stuff all the time so if I was you I'd leave it the way that you like it and not worry about other's opinions.

I almost forgot about this one...
http://nationalmountainbike.com/board/showthread.php?t=65&page=3

You know, sticking with wooden jumps has an advantage. Dirt jumps require constant maintenance. They are cheap and don't take any skill to create as a wood ramp does. Once you build a wood ramp, it's there for a long time. With dirt jumps, everytime it rains you have to get out there and fix them. Also with the setup you have now, you can move the landing ramp away from the jump to make the jump more challenging. Just a thought...
I think it's gotten to the point where we will be sticking with wood jumps. Not that I don't like dirt jumps, but weighing the advantages and disadvantages, not of the jumps themselves, but the availability of supplies, and the maintenance aspect that you mention, we will most likely be sticking with wooden jumps.
The platform launch will be moved down to the meadow when we bring the meadow launch up to the platform (for some redesigning).
So, do tell where we haven't listened to suggestions.
Sometimes we won't be able to honor a suggestion due to a number of factors, which include, saftey aspect, space constrictions, lack of flow, etc.

[jjscarf]

I want to come out before Oct. Playing at the Hamrock fest on the BMX course has reinspired me to jump my bike. If at all possible I was hoping to come out with Sam from the pedlar and help build/ride in the next couple weeks.
As far as ramps and comfort I think the elbow was comfy when it was further out, the lack of speed makes me nervous. Of course I was also really shaky last time I was out there, no time on the jumper bike. All things considered, it is built people are happy with it and there are three other options right there, I would leave it and move on. Can't wait to see the railroad section, spools are fun to play on!

[RMB_mike]

I want to come out before Oct. Playing at the Hamrock fest on the BMX course has reinspired me to jump my bike. If at all possible I was hoping to come out with Sam from the pedlar and help build/ride in the next couple weeks.
I'll be out there on Saturday. If Kenny is available to help, he and I are probably going to redo the platform launch. If he's busy and I'm by myself, I'll probably continue to work on the railroad. You're more than welcome to stop by and help (and ride too).


As far as ramps and comfort I think the elbow was comfy when it was further out, the lack of speed makes me nervous.
I agree. It's when the ramp was close that I went to far out and bottomed the rear suspension on my Edge. We moved it out, but it was about 1.5' too far so we backed it up a bit. Now I think it's great.



Of course I was also really shaky last time I was out there, no time on the jumper bike.
Yeah, you looked real shaky coming down that banked chute on your Muni. Pfffft. :twitcy:

Hope to see you out there Saturday. Anyone else who isn't busy Saturday is welcome to join in the festivities.
Aside from a drill, are there any other cordless tools you have (i.e. sawzall, skilsaw, etc.)?

[billwilliams70]

Ouch!

Later.