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    Harpeth's 50 Miles of Hamilton Creek NOW FOUR LAPS

    After some deliberation and after riding the trail recently - my goal was to make this about a 6 hour race. The trail is now almost 13 miles long. Therefore, I am making the race 4 laps. I understand some of you have made plans for a 5 man team. However, 5 laps would be over 60 miles and make the race be too long. Please make whatever adjustments you need to reflect the new format.

    I apologize for this oversight, as I did not realize the mileage after the new additions to the trail over the last two years. 4 Laps will be much better, and will make the event the correct distance and time.

    If anyone has any issues regarding this, please let me know! Contact info below.

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    You'll thank me when you are done. There are about 75 relieved solo riders out there ride now. First of them is Dookie of Moots.

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    I could do 5 laps Tim. Just probably not in 8 hours. I think you made the right decision. Thanks.
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    Bring it Count Dookie. I'm just hoping you won't be having any "relishing" moments. If I hear you coming, the humiliation will be too much to bare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzi View Post
    There are about 75 relieved solo riders out there ride now.


    Are there really 75 solo riders? If so...WOW!!! Hopefully they are not all in the Amateur class; I'm not sure my fragile ego could take finishing in 75th place.
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    I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting really excited about this race. I love a good beating from Hammy, and this race will definitely give all of us that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TryFour View Post
    I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting really excited about this race.
    I don't know why YOU would be excited. You're slow, your bike sucks, and your team mate is a real a$$. It should be a horrible time.

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    Haha, at least my bike is made of metal, not layered cloth! Now if I can just get my stupid tires to hold air!

    And that's funny, I seem to remember having to leave you to limp back to the car while I finished a lap...more than once!

    Now if I can just get my worthless teammate to man up a little!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TryFour View Post
    Haha, at least my bike is made of metal, not layered cloth! Now if I can just get my stupid tires to hold air!

    And that's funny, I seem to remember having to leave you to limp back to the car while I finished a lap...more than once!

    Now if I can just get my worthless teammate to man up a little!
    In the interest of and preserving my steed's good name, I am inclined to remind you of the outcome of every other ride we have shared. Up or down.

    Back on topic... Does anyone have a set of water wings I can borrow for this weekend?

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    Pretty entertaining....

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    So, what is the cut-off time now. When it was 5 laps it was 8 hours. Is it still 8 hours? I had heard mention of 6 hours somewhere. I could have dreamed that though.
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    I'm a little concerned with the weather. (And when I say a little concerned I mean a lot.)

    Is there any back up plan? Seeing as how we rode the trail on Monday and it was in decent shape with the rain we had before then and now it's been raining every day since and supposed to be raining every day until next week, what happens when the storms roll through on Sunday? And I'm sure they will with our luck lately. Is there perhaps a better weekend to move these events to? That way everyone will leave the trail dry, happy, and only a little hurt compared to the sloppy, slick muddy roots and rocks everyone will get this weekend. Just trying to save bikes and broken bones. I know that a lot of people are waiting to sign up due to weather and perhaps we'd have a better turn out for SORBA if it was changed. Just thinking out loud though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerGirl View Post
    I'm a little concerned with the weather. (And when I say a little concerned I mean a lot.)

    Is there any back up plan? Seeing as how we rode the trail on Monday and it was in decent shape with the rain we had before then and now it's been raining every day since and supposed to be raining every day until next week, what happens when the storms roll through on Sunday? And I'm sure they will with our luck lately. Is there perhaps a better weekend to move these events to? That way everyone will leave the trail dry, happy, and only a little hurt compared to the sloppy, slick muddy roots and rocks everyone will get this weekend. Just trying to save bikes and broken bones. I know that a lot of people are waiting to sign up due to weather and perhaps we'd have a better turn out for SORBA if it was changed. Just thinking out loud though.
    I'm waiting to see what the weather does too. I want to race, but I don't want to be a whole lot more miserable than I normally would be riding 50 miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerGirl View Post
    I'm a little concerned with the weather. (And when I say a little concerned I mean a lot.)

    Is there any back up plan? Seeing as how we rode the trail on Monday and it was in decent shape with the rain we had before then and now it's been raining every day since and supposed to be raining every day until next week, what happens when the storms roll through on Sunday? And I'm sure they will with our luck lately. Is there perhaps a better weekend to move these events to? That way everyone will leave the trail dry, happy, and only a little hurt compared to the sloppy, slick muddy roots and rocks everyone will get this weekend. Just trying to save bikes and broken bones. I know that a lot of people are waiting to sign up due to weather and perhaps we'd have a better turn out for SORBA if it was changed. Just thinking out loud though.



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    Tim, will you guys still have this race if it rains the weekend of?
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    Yes, we will still have the race. You roll the dice on these things. Hard to predict weather 6 months away. Two many things in motion to have a "rain date." So, let's pray for NO rain.
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    Truth is, I really want to race this one. It's my favorite local trail. There are a lot of people holding out to sign up 'day-of' based on the weather, and a huge lack of wanting to hit hammy when it's wet mess. If there is a possibility of moving it to another weekend if the rain keeps up, it seems like it would really help out with the turn out. I know my team of 4 isn't signing up unless it clears up. I hate that -- but it's just not worth it at hammy if there's a way to simply postpone it. If not, so be it. I'll still be there to watch!
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    All -

    Due to the unforseeable string of wet weather, we are moving this event to July 9, 10. July 9 the Festival and Kid's race, July 10th the Harpeth Bikes 50 miles of Hamilton Creek. I think it will be too wet for this to be a success. Our goal is to have this race in dry conditions and having it this weekend will be impossible. In the future for Hamilton Creek events, I will make a rain date part of the original plan. It typically does not rain this much in June and we picked June for this reason. The trail will likely be damaged and the conditions dangerous if we run the events this weekend.

    If this causes anyone who has pre-registered any hardship, please let me know so we can work out a refund for you. I believe I can speak for Harpeth Bikes and Sorba that we want the best event we can put on and create the best experience we can for all riders and spectators. Moving the event is the best way to do this.

    See contact info if you need to get in touch with me.

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    Thanks Tim, and all involved in the decision making! We never know what weather's gonna do, and you would definitely think that by June it would have been better. Hopefully July 9/10 will be better, although still no guarantee, ugh!! I'm looking forward to it no matter what. Thank you again.
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    ARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! Now I have to choose between this and the SERC race in Huntsville, both of which I pre-registered for. On top of that, my inlaws are coming into town that weekend, so Hammy might be a hard sell to my wife.

    Don't get me wrong though, I'm glad that it was moved. I was going to race regardless, but all I could think about was the damage that the race would do to the trail. Hammy is my favorite Nashville-area trail, and I don't like to see it damaged. Good call on the date change.
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    Lance - the cut off is still 8 hours. My thinking is with 4 laps, a good finishing time would be about 6 hours. Thanks! Big Red - I know you'll do the right thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzi View Post
    Lance - the cut off is still 8 hours. My thinking is with 4 laps, it will be about 6 hours. Thanks! Big Red - I know you'll do the right thing
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    I'm kind of relieved. I wasn't going to have a chance to pre-ride the trail and haven't ridden out there in about a year. Combine that with mud and probably wet roots and rocks and it could have been a disaster for me. See you folks July 10!
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    This is great news as I had a schedule conflict with the race being on my daughter's birthday. This puts it back on my radar, with hopefully the rain not on the radar.

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    After riding to Mack Hatcher this morning and having to bail, it's the best decision. With no more rain, it'd be messy. With any more, Hoopty'd be suicidal after the racers got though with it. Then there's, "What would happen if you ran out of paramedics?"

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    Good deal. The trail Gods thank you Hope I can make it on that weekend. I'm kinda glad. Didn't look like this weekend was gonna workout anyway.
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    It stinks that the FTF has to be the same day as the Tour de Fat....I have already committed to be there.

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    Yeah, the whole thing stinks. Watch the weather be super hot this weekend and dry the trail up. I think everyone who goes to bike events should one time in their life have to plan one. In addition, plan one at a trail that is (for some reason I still can't figure out) so contraversial and fills people with such emotion. You should see the messages I get .."YOu are going to ruin the trail!"

    The reality of it is this - I've put on two races at Hamilton Creek and it was wet BOTH times. Somehow, the trail survived. That doesn't mean that I'm looking for a wet trail to ride on, just the opposite. But if it is wet on our July dates, then we've done the best we can by picking the historically driest time of the year and even moving it from the original date.
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    Tough job for sure so thanks for taking up the challenge. If it is wet then, my thought is to have a work day or two after the race.

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    I am not doing the race. Really don't like riding that trail. One thing, I don't get. Any other venue that holds a race does it rain or shine. Personally, I don't like riding or racing in sloppy conditions. Not as much fun and too much $$$$ to fix the bike after. Also, this is the only area I know of that gets so bent out of shape for riding wet or muddy trails. They recover and come back. I have seen it all the time in other areas while riding. You cannot expect someone to change a date to suit the weather. If it rains and you don't want to ride, don't. I can guarantee you that Uzzi wants it to be nice more than anyone on this board or doing the race.

    I don't care what race I've entered. If I know it's going to be a mudfest, even if I have traveled, I am getting on the internet and trying to find a place to ride that is within 2 hours of my venue that is dry. If I cannot then I will ride my bike on fire roads and pavement. It is time to get over being so upset about riding slightly muddy or wet trails. I don't do mud unless I am caught in a rain storm while I am already out. But the times I have been in that situation, the trails were fine the next day if it is in the summer.
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    Robert, I disagree with everything you have said. David Hardin has done the same thing in the past. I wish others race promoters would be willing to cancel or postpone races. He is trying to put on a good race. Not just put on a race.

    I have raced in every kind of conditions over the years. And have nothing else to prove. And am sick of tearing of my **** racing in the mud. And I have never felt good about racing on muddy or wet trails. And have been pissed at race promoters. I think most of them care about the race and making money more than the trail. That's why they make it cheaper to register earlier. They want your money and sucker you in to committ early.

    I can promise you that it was going to be a low turn out this weekend. Everyone I know had decided not to race. I'm glad the race as been postponed. I not scaced of a wet and Muddy Hammy. But I'm not gonna race on a wet and muddy Hammy.

    So I applaud Tim. Maybe he is ahead of the curve. And maybe other race promoters should follow his example.
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    I think Uzzi was also considering the fact that the chances of someone seriously getting hurt would have been much higher. Look, everyone that races or who has raced knows there is a certain risk involved. It's part of the sport. But when you factor in what Hammy offers (ROCK) in general and then throw in a weeks worth of rain you get a trail that is extremely sketchy at best. Wet rock and roots are no fun for anyone. I think had he decided to put on this race, there would have been a lot of negative feedback afterwards. It also helps that the trail won't be left a huge mess too.

    So Uzzi, good job by using your better judgment. I know a lot of people are relieved who were racing. I plan on coming up to watch the chaos in July....if dry lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dook of Moots View Post
    Robert, I disagree with everything you have said. David Hardin has done the same thing in the past. I wish others race promoters would be willing to cancel or postpone races. He is trying to put on a good race. Not just put on a race.

    I have raced in every kind of conditions over the years. And have nothing else to prove. And am sick of tearing of my **** racing in the mud. And I have never felt good about racing on muddy or wet trails. And have been pissed at race promoters. I think most of them care about the race and making money more than the trail. That's why they make it cheaper to register earlier. They want your money and sucker you in to committ early.

    I can promise you that it was going to be a low turn out this weekend. Everyone I know had decided not to race. I'm glad the race as been postponed. I not scaced of a wet and Muddy Hammy. But I'm not gonna race on a wet and muddy Hammy.

    So I applaud Tim. Maybe he is ahead of the curve. And maybe other race promoters should follow his example.
    Hey Dookey, you sure you read my entire post? I said I wouldn't race in muddy or wet conditions. And what guarantee do you have that it will not rain on the July date? Oh, that's right, "Dook of Moots" must be a synonym for God. I am not saying Tim did the wrong thing. I am saying you cannot predict the weather. And if you think everything I said is wrong then some of what I wrote must be right. I do think there should be rain dates, but a month off? Hope the weather holds for that date.

    I do know that the Cohutta was held in slop last year and the trails have snapped back just fine. Just saying.

    So to sum it up, I wouldn't ride in muddy conditions unless caught in rain while riding. I would skip the race if it was going to be a mudfest even if I had traveled to the sight. When I sign up for a race I wait as long as I can before signing up. However, I know that I cannot predict the weather so that is the risk I take for signing up, in the first place. I don't expect the race director to postpone the race. Now I am sure that all of this is wrong as well.

    on a lighter note. If I ride Cheatham this coming week, one afternoon, wanna ride? Got some exploring to do.
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    Robert, just curious, if you don't intend to do the race or ride or race in the rain or poor conditions, what difference does it make if the event is postponed, much less make innuendo about it? If you can't say something nice...

    I intend to participate. Rode out there Thursday. Due to conditions, whether it rained anymore or not, had decided not to enter. Not worth getting hurt over. I expect there are many of my mind, which would hurt the turnout and ultimately the event. I'm glad Tim was able to make the move.

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    I didn't say anything that wasn't nice. Maybe not politically correct. There is race day registration, something, any race I do, lacks. I have never planned a mountain bike race but I have been involved in planning a lot of running races and know what goes into holding the race on the date that is set, rain or shine. I am not dissing anyone but you cannot predict the weather. I hope it's perfect in July for all involved. If not, do you want Tim to change it again? I understand people not wanting to ride in poor conditions. When you pay for a race, you take that chance. I would forgo, even a paid event, due to bad conditions. I would not ask the director of the race to postpone it because that is too much to ask. Yes, some races are trying to make money. It is the way they earn a living. If someone doesn't want to enter a race, then don't, but don't say that it is just for the money. Of course it is to make money. Would you go to work if you got paid nothing?

    The reason for my post is you are asking someone to change a date for something that is out of his or her control. If you want perfect weather, then hold it indoors.

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    Thanks for totally hi jacking these post.. Actually nobody ask Tim to postpone the race. He decided that on his own. Not sure why you care either way. I'm guessing that's why DSG was canceled this year. One more rain race is gonna kill that race. Great event. Terrible race.

    This weekend is about more than the race. It's also about the FTF.
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    Yeah, the whole thing stinks. Watch the weather be super hot this weekend and dry the trail up. I think everyone who goes to bike events should one time in their life have to plan one. In addition, plan one at a trail that is (for some reason I still can't figure out) so contraversial and fills people with such emotion. You should see the messages I get .."YOu are going to ruin the trail!"
    The reality of it is this - I've put on two races at Hamilton Creek and it was wet BOTH times. Somehow, the trail survived. That doesn't mean that I'm looking for a wet trail to ride on, just the opposite. But if it is wet on our July dates, then we've done the best we can by picking the historically driest time of the year and even moving it from the original date.
    I beg to differ with no one ask him to postpone the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I beg to differ with no one ask him to postpone the race.
    Ok. I'm not sure why he did it. But it was his decision. I think he knows a wet Hammy race is gonna have a low turnout. I'm glad the race was postponed. Cause I'm not gonna race or ride on a wet Hammy trail. But I'm also not gonna have an opinion for those who want to. That's ok with me too. I'm kinda sick and tired of the mountain bike race scene anyway....Just for the record. I didn't ask Tim to postpone. I support him either way. I think everyone who races should help promote a race.
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    I AM SO PISSED THAT THE RACE IS POSTPONED!!! I was really looking forward to being the only team to sign up! Instant win!

    Tim, obviously a good decision. I've done all of the HC events so far and I think this one would have been, well, like ice skating...on a bike.


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    Back on topic... Does anyone have a set of water wings I can borrow for this weekend?
    And as for you, I'm just gonna bite my tongue. You just enjoy your ease of training, for now!

    You better bring your A game on July 10th.

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    Hey Robert, you want to team up and race Duo with me? That is, if it's dry on the 10th. Tryon, I hate to kill your dream. But Adam Queen and Dustin Greer are planning on racing Duo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dook of Moots View Post
    Hey Robert, you want to team up and race Duo with me? That is, if it's dry on the 10th.


    Tryon, I hate to kill your dream. But Adam Queen and Dustin Greer are planning on racing Duo.
    It's the week before Iron Mountain. But thanks for asking. I am not good enough to ride Hammy. Sorry if I offended anyone but it's a legit question. I think Tim made the correct call even though we got no rain at the store today. Depends on where you were. Weather is just not predictable. I have been caught out in some bad pop ups on what started out to be a very nice and sunny day. Now I have totally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dook of Moots View Post
    I'm kinda sick and tired of the mountain bike race scene anyway....
    I hear that...too much drama!

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    Looks like a good call, Tim.

    I'm getting pretty feed up with rain, except on my lawn.

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    I have found a teammate for Duo. I had to bribe him. But it only took one Dale's Pale Ale..,,.He's really fast. But he pukes a lot. The name of team is gonna be. The Dook and the puke.
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    Hey guys - I moved the race for a few reasons. I did not want a low turnout. I did not want to run the race in wet conditions. I did not want people to get injured. (That could happen anyway, but when it's wet out there, it's just ridiculous) I did not want Sorba to be put in a negative light.

    Jeff is right about one thing, I may be on to something. Any other events I do at Hamilton Creek I will build in a rain date. I thought it would be more difficult to change the dates on a race, but turns out it's not that hard. Perhaps more events will be able to do this to ensure dry races. With more planning next year, we won't have to scramble at the last minute for a rain date and overlap other local events.

    I hope everyone can make it! It will be a fun event. If it rains on July 10th, we'll just have to live with it guys! Given the weather on June 26th, looks like we made the right decision.

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    WOOT!!! My wife said that I could bail on the inlaws for the race. I won't be able to make it for the festival though. That was a battle that I was NOT going to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzi View Post
    Any other events I do at Hamilton Creek I will build in a rain date. I thought it would be more difficult to change the dates on a race, but turns out it's not that hard. Perhaps more events will be able to do this to ensure dry races. With more planning next year, we won't have to scramble at the last minute for a rain date and overlap other local events.

    Thanks Tim,
    Moving a race isn't the huge deal that cancelling entirely can be. When we had to move our crit last year due to the flood we figured it would be a disaster. Turned out to be a great event all around and the momentum from that choice carried right over into this year's crit, which was even better. Racers and spectators alike appreciate that level of consideration.

    Here's hoping for solid weather in two weeks!

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    I rode Hammy on Saturday

    Uzzi made the right call

    The beginner loop was mush

    The advanced trail was drier but not great

    I did not even waste my time trying the lake side trail, we all know what that would have looked like

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