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    What do you think it's going to look like this afternoon?
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    Headed over in a bit during lunch to look at it. We only got about 0.10" so it should be fine overall but it will be slick for sure.
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    What do you think it's going to look like this afternoon?
    Cold and wet imho. ;)
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    Should be ok today but watch for ice. I was still raining a bit yesterday so things got wet again. Trail tread should be fine but the leaves will be slick until they dry off. Will try to get to the tree on Hookman today or tomorrow.
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    Built a new log over with that tree that was down on hookman. Has a good bit of ant damage so it will only last for a few years (hopefully) but it is nice to have something else out there. Made a way around the tree as well for all the timid types. There is no backside log but it is not that high off of the ground.
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    Can't believe how good the trail was today! Seems the summer of little rain and much traffic has packed the trail down enough that it won't hold water. I left after riding everything with not a drop of mud on my bike. I'm never going to get to try out my new fender!

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    Trail is in great shape go get some before it rains. Thanks for the new obstacle on Hookman.
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    I rode the trail for the 2nd time this weekend. It was much dryer than I was expecting. That was def an obstacle, and I chose the route around it haha. New to trail, leaves, and dry contacts due to cold weather are not a good combo haha.

    On a unrelated note to trail conditions, am I the only one who thinks the boardwalk is an awful idea? I love riding it, and I understand why it is there, but I just have a feeling somebody is going to get hurt bad on there. Both times I have been on the trail people have been riding it all out. This weekend a few guys on crossbikes seemed to be using it as a Strava segment. That with the combo of lots of people taking there kids just do not seem to mix. When I first read about the trial online I thought it was going to be wider for being two way.

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    The blvd. is not the best idea. However, the right of way always goes to the biker going uphill. I always try to be polite but yes I have run into those strava users barreling downhill. I'll stand my ground and make them move over. But again I try to be polite.
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    So what's the story out at the trail. Do you think it will be rideable on Friday?
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    Slick in the corners. Tree down on Hookman right by the "too tight" left switchback.
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    If you see Taylor Swift jogging the trails, you better not run her off lol! http://www.wkrn.com/story/27370171/t...nashville-park
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradybunch12 View Post
    If you see Taylor Swift jogging the trails, you better not run her off lol! http://www.wkrn.com/story/27370171/t...nashville-park
    If you try she may scamper away like a deer...

    Rode yesterday afternoon and the trails were fine for the most part. A few slick spots did still remain. We should be ok with the freeze/thaw until we get any kind of precip then it starts cycling. I am curious as to how the tread will react given how hard packed most of it is now from the summer. Might be able to keep it open more often when the temperature is cycling unlike last year.
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    The areas that have the cracking going on will probably let water accumulate and heave. I hope not.

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    Trail was superb today.
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    It was nice out there this evening. I rode it on this bike. http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/fat...n-img_1031.jpg

    Not a picture of my bike but the one I just got yesterday. Been saving for awhile and ordered it about 5 months ago. Thanks to the Mike Modo, at Cumberland Transit for the perfect recommendation.

    24 pounds with pedals, set up tubeless. I am running about 8 psi in the rear and 5 or 6 in the front. Still playing with the tire pressures. I am making more stuff than I have ever made at PWP on this bike in just two rides. When I get totally used to it, well, it may be even better. Sucker will roll over about anything and the traction is ludicrous and addicting.
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    Lucky dog looks super fun. You running it single speed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzi View Post
    Robert - does your bike have gears?
    1x11. I don't always ride SS.
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    That's sweet Robert! Congratulations!

    The trail was in good shape this morning. A little frost on the trail and some heaving at the edges but, the tread is solid. It started thawing on our ride out and was getting a little slippery in corners on the corridor, about noon.

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    Needless to say trails are currently closed. They were in ok shape just really wet still and slick. Waiting to see how they behave to the freeze/thaw over the next day.

    For the person(s) who keep opening up a path from the exit of Wabash, Hop and Humdinger to the beginning of hop where the two trails are pretty close I would advise you to stop. I am the one who keeps re-closing it and will keep doing so. There is no cut through there so stop being a lazy ass and creating one. Might add one further down towards the exit later on but for now go around.
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    Hey, Austin. I haven't seen this path. Do you mean beginning of Wabash? Isn't the beginning of Hop Project on top of Rocky Top?

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    Quote Originally Posted by homer View Post
    Hey, Austin. I haven't seen this path. Do you mean beginning of Wabash? Isn't the beginning of Hop Project on top of Rocky Top?
    Its a path someone is making to connect the exit from all the trails on the Deep wells end back to the entrance of Hop project going back up to Rocky top. It cuts through the woods where the trails are pretty close together. Right at or near the skinny log on the exit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinB View Post
    Needless to say trails are currently closed. They were in ok shape just really wet still and slick. Waiting to see how they behave to the freeze/thaw over the next day.

    For the person(s) who keep opening up a path from the exit of Wabash, Hop and Humdinger to the beginning of hop where the two trails are pretty close I would advise you to stop. I am the one who keeps re-closing it and will keep doing so. There is no cut through there so stop being a lazy ass and creating one. Might add one further down towards the exit later on but for now go around.
    So, Austin, how do you really feel about it?ROFLMAO I rode on the roads in the park tonight and I can tell that everything is really wet. I can tell by going passed the horse and hiking trails and shining my light on them. May freeze tonight but when it thaws tomorrow, it will probably a nasty mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I rode on the roads in the park tonight and I can tell that everything is really wet. I can tell by going passed the horse and hiking trails and shining my light on them. May freeze tonight but when it thaws tomorrow, it will probably a nasty mess.
    It all depends on how much water made it into the tread and into the cracks where the trail was really dry. If there isnt much water soaked in when it freezes it should be fine. Of course when it freezes and thaws the surface gets wet again as it was today but at that point it should start to dry off. The winds should also help dry off the surface. I will check again tomorrow around lunch time.
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    So how do the trails look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    So how do the trails look?
    They are partly frozen and partly thawed. The frozen parts are fine but the thawed sections are really wet. What I walked on started to come off on my boots so I left them closed. Already some signs of heaving in sections that are really shady. With the expected high tomorrow anything frozen will thaw quickly. Depending on how much moisture remains it may be Thursday before it reopens.

    Will check again around noon since that will be a few hours after the temperature get above freezing tomorrow. Want to see how things are drying. Seems a bit too early to be closing for freeze/thaw, ugh. Greenway time!
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    So how did the trails look today after the warmer temps and winds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    So how did the trails look today after the warmer temps and winds.
    Rolled by at noon and again at around 3:30 on bike. Still too sticky. Had two people coming out with mud all caked on their tires. They said they turned around when they saw it was getting bad. Will check at noon again and hopefully they are ready to go. Want to get a lot of traffic on the tread to repack some of the spots where the cracked dirt started to heave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinB View Post
    Rolled by at noon and again at around 3:30 on bike. Still too sticky. Had two people coming out with mud all caked on their tires. They said they turned around when they saw it was getting bad. Will check at noon again and hopefully they are ready to go. Want to get a lot of traffic on the tread to repack some of the spots where the cracked dirt started to heave.
    Two people were coming out of the trails that are closed. What is wrong with this picture? Oh, I know, they are illiterate. Makes perfect sense now. The old rules don't apply to me ploy. Nice.
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    They probably made giant canyons in the trail bed and now it's unrepairable. Curse those rule breakers!

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    SORBA site shows trails are open. Yeah!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    SORBA site shows trails are open. Yeah!!
    Yea they are in pretty good shape. Please let us know of any bad spots. Freeze/thaw will show all the places that need a bit of work still.
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    Ok. Hookman north side the switchbacks are slick. No real freeze thaw issues though. Blvd has some freeze thaw after/before the multiple switchbacks in the low spots. Plus close to Wabash turn off. The usual spots on hop project. And that spot right at the beginning of toybox, close to the parking lot. Otherwise it's nice.
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    I will say this. Other then the typical low spots that always collect water. The trail that has little or no leaf cover definitely experienced some freeze thaw cycles. The areas that had a good amount of leaf cover held up well and rebounded quickly. My 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    I will say this. Other then the typical low spots that always collect water. The trail that has little or no leaf cover definitely experienced some freeze thaw cycles. The areas that had a good amount of leaf cover held up well and rebounded quickly. My 2 cents.
    Agreed. We try to keep the leaf cover on as much as possible. The sections we clear by blowing get covered up again due to the large number of trees with leaves still remaining. The issue is with the amount of traffic the system gets a lot of sections get uncovered pretty quickly and stay that way. The leaves help only up to a certain point anyway like this time of year when it rains then freezes then it warms back up. Once we get into the hard freeze of the winter then back to thawing in the early spring what leaves remain only delay the inevitable. Frozen trail eventually thaws and becomes a slick/squishy mess. With the hard pack after this past season hopefully they wont be nearly as soft when it thaws back out, we will see.
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    I figured that once we get into the true winter, if you can call it that in Tennessee, that the trail would definitely be a muddy mess. Plus, thanks for all the hard work people have put into this trail. Hopefully, it will remain in good condition for years to come.
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    Trail needs to be closed. Got stuck at the top of Hookman when it started to downpour. Trail is holding water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinB View Post
    Agreed. We try to keep the leaf cover on as much as possible. The sections we clear by blowing get covered up again due to the large number of trees with leaves still remaining. The issue is with the amount of traffic the system gets a lot of sections get uncovered pretty quickly and stay that way. The leaves help only up to a certain point anyway like this time of year when it rains then freezes then it warms back up. Once we get into the hard freeze of the winter then back to thawing in the early spring what leaves remain only delay the inevitable. Frozen trail eventually thaws and becomes a slick/squishy mess. With the hard pack after this past season hopefully they wont be nearly as soft when it thaws back out, we will see.
    I feel that Austin has kept the perfect amount of leaves on the trail and blew them off where they needed to be removed - like on the banked turns of Toybox. Trail was PERFECT on Saturday.

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    Therefore, Austin is perfect. Nice. I would agree with that assessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Therefore, Austin is perfect. Nice. I would agree with that assessment.
    HA! I wouldn't go that far. Thanks for the feedback for sure. We try our best.

    Trails closed due to all of the rain. If the temps stay above or close to freezing we maybe ready to reopen in a few days.
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    It never ceases to amaze me. So I do a night road ride at PWP and I use the golf and mtb parking lot. See two guys go into to the trails to hike. Guess an electric fence would keep them out. Maybe they were just checking them out for later. Great night for some laps of the 11.2 and a good place to park.
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    There's a tree down on hookman a couple hundred yards before the creek crossing. it's not super big but its a couple feet off the ground~ knee height.

    I rode out there last night and it's definitely slick! There wasn't any mud that sticks just a lot of slippery top layer. Be super careful in the corners.
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    Rode trail 2:45 to 4:20 or so. A few squishy spots, but overall in pretty good shape. A fair number of folks hitting the trail on the slow day before the holidays.

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    Rain had made it back to the trails. If it rains a good bit I will take a look in the morning as the Turkey is a cookin and post an update.
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    Trails are fine except for Hookman. So I closed it off with a barricade and updated the site. Please stay off of it. Ran into a person coming off the trails that said the climbing side is a slick mess and her bike proved it. Will be out there again tomorrow after lunch to see if it is any better.
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    Thank you for the update Austin. Hookman is not as Rocky as some of the other trails, IMHO especially the climbing parts. It is just the soil type and that cannot be changed. I rode Monty Bell today, most every trail and my bike got cleaner as I rode. Gravely soil and lots of leaves. The Fat Bike didn't even know they were slick. I moved a bunch of debris off PWP on Tuesday night. That was the first time I had soil in my tires when I left. It has been a wet last two weeks and colder than usual. If not for the wind it wouldn't even be as dry as it is.
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    Rode this afternoon. Lots of people out burning off the turkey they ate. Went and checked out hookman, it is still really sloppy in many places. Only mud I picked up was from that trail so it remains closed. Saw a few tires with some mud packed on but not sure where it was coming from unless they were all riding off the trail tread.

    Beginning of Toybox is still a bit slippery but that is because of its location. Watch your speed still, leaves are hiding some very slick spots.
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