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    Mud Riding

    I decided to make this thread to maybe check up on the trials, and how people mud riding affects the trails. If any affects of mud riding on any trail post up! Also open for non- local mud riding discussion.
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    I will put out a preemptive warning to keep this thread civil. If you search the forum, there are many threads on this subject. It could be useful to have a new one IF people will use it to educate in a civil manner. If this thread starts to go south, it will most likely get closed and removed quickly.

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    It ruts the trail out, it causes undo man hours of work to fix. It trashes your bike. It isn't fun. I could go on and on but this covers it for me.
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    Ruts aren't helpful. I could tell a little bit at Blankets Creek, Georgia. It was getting a rutted down a bit. It isn't too bad, but we don't want this kinda stuff on like wabash at PW
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    A bit OT, but has anybody noticed that the picture in the title section of this site at the top of the page shows a bike rider with muddy shoes and muddy tires on a muddy trail? Just an observation.

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    Re: Mud Riding

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    Short answer, mud riding does affect the trails because it destroys the trail tread. You have trail tread all over you and your bike. Some places this is fine but a lot of places do not allow mud riding because it affects the longevity of the trail tread, not to mention the added man hours/cost to fix. That being said if a trail is tacky/dry but a few spots are wet I would not consider that mud riding, those are spots that need to be fixed so they drain better and dry the same as the rest of the trail tread.

    Rule of thumb I use: If you and your bike are not picking up mud while riding normally you are fine, otherwise the trails are too wet to ride. Obvious exceptions are water crossings and wet spots not drying properly as stated before.

    Like Robert said, I am not a big fan of having to wash off my bike and drive train after riding. Not to mention the accelerated wear on your crankset, chain and cassette (sprocket) from dirt/sand on your chain. But to each their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drwx View Post
    Can we stop beating this dead horse yet?
    It's been dead for awhile...only thing left is the stink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEtheMB View Post
    A bit OT, but has anybody noticed that the picture in the title section of this site at the top of the page shows a bike rider with muddy shoes and muddy tires on a muddy trail? Just an observation.
    O' come on, that pic was probably taken on a race day, you know its the day when most of the people that complain about mud riding decide its ok because its race day

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    Quote Originally Posted by outman View Post
    O' come on, that pic was probably taken on a race day, you know its the day when most of the people that complain about mud riding decide its ok because its race day
    That was taken at a DSG race, which is on a private trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outman View Post
    O' come on, that pic was probably taken on a race day, you know its the day when most of the people that complain about mud riding decide its ok because its race day
    My point exactly on another thread: what's really more important - the race or the trail?!
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    Guys, you are only allowed to have one opinion on this message board! If you reveal any variance you will be called names and even worse...shunned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzi View Post
    Guys, you are only allowed to have one opinion on this message board! If you reveal any variance you will be called names and even worse...shunned!
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    Totally not following that about on the fence. My stance has been - I don't mud ride because it is not fun - at least in Middle Tennessee. I think the whole mud ride thing is overblown since there has been mud riding for years and yet we still have trails and most of the damage is erosion and poor design. Ruts seems to fix themselves in most cases in the spring and all trails require maintenance at least once a year anyway. I also don't believe you can stop mud riding through this forum (if history is a teacher) and efforts would be better spent elsewhere. Only through an active land manager who will actually close the trail can this be accomplished.

    Posts that are highly critical of mud riders were never a factor in the development of my viewpoints or opinions, rather an XTR derailleur so packed with mud it exploded was. So, I think this is something that people will figure out. It is my opinion these "you are stupid because you mud ride posts" do more to alienate and turn people off then to keep them from mud-riding. These are my thoughts and mine alone, these are not intended to inflame. But if this is a discussion board, then let's have a discussion.
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    I was under the impression you were saying they are not for mud riding and saying that they are for it under a different post.

    Agreed nothing beneficial will come of these posts, especially since a lot of mud riders are not even on this forum. We could always use gates like at MB and have nearby stewards keep an eye on the trail ... But nothing is going to stop someone if the priority is there riding over the trails longevity.
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    I am not sure about "they" , but you are right about a double standard in that sense. The belief is (and I'm not saying I agree or disagree) that the benefit of the event out weighs any damage done to the trail, if any. The promoter is supposed to leave the trail in as good of shape as they found it. Usually, at least with Hamilton Creek, that is the main reason so much work was done out there this year, because of the I AM MOUNTAIN event.

    People not from Middle Tennessee hear these points of view about mud riding and they are like...what? We have a different type of soil and most trails are sitting on bedrock with about 4 inches of soil. In Florida right after a rain is the BEST time to ride! Other places, if you don't ride when it's wet you wouldn't ride at all.

    I think there is a belief that there is a difference between a planned event where schedules, sponsors, travel etc are involved that in order to have events, they must risk doing it on a rainy day. I can tell you first hand NO promoter WANTS their event to happen in poor, muddy conditions. (Except for Muddy Buddy) It's either risk having it on a rainy day (planned months or a year in advance) or not have any events at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzi View Post
    I can tell you first hand NO promoter WANTS their event to happen in poor, muddy conditions. (Except for Muddy Buddy) It's either risk having it on a rainy day (planned months or a year in advance) or not have any events at all.
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    Yes, the bike may show mud but like Twolf said, it was from a ride on a trail that is privately owned and on private land. It is not a public trail, in a metro Park. The land owners of said trail put on the race and decided to run it rain or shine. But yes it may send some mixed signals since the photo doesn't denote it's location and details. I remember when someone (maybe IMBA or subaru) ran an ad that showed muddy riding and they got a lot of flack for setting a bad example. But again, that would be a bad example of how to treat trails in certain areas, not nationwide, and on land that is public or where the land owner doesn't want mud riding.

    Every locale has different types of soil and thus some places can handle wet riding, and some can't. We are stuck with lousy dirt here as far as it's water shedding abilities. We're lucky that we have so many available trails (something like 8 trails within 1.25 hour drive of Nashville) and some handle water well, like MB, some handle it terribly.

    I think one thing that helps is to know the trail, know the land, the rules and be respectful. We don't HAVE to be allowed to have so many trails at our disposal. We should try our best to keep doing things that will help us get MORE trails. Will riding in the mud, and causing hours of volunteer trail work make us look good to future, potential land owners? Sure much damage is fixable, but wouldn't it be nice to be riding or building new trail with our limited volunteer hours? We won't get the attention of all through this forum but we have the attention of many, and the more educated everyone is, the better they can explain things to new riders or experienced rides who are not on this forum.
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    Last time I rode Cane Ridge was in the mud. It was in the fall and the trail held up well. It was leafy and slick, but my tires didn't bury into the dirt. Unlike Cane Ridge during the summer it splatters all over you and ruins the trial. It depends on how the conditions are. Note: Chickasaw doesn't drain well. do NOT mud ride that. One time i rode chickasaw a week and a half after it rained and there was still mud puddles.
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