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    Percy Warner Racing

    So after having this splendid trail open up, the first thing that comes to mind is- races? I was wondering if/when a race will happen at PW and so forth.
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    I would love to have some fun timed races down blue or black or the Wabash trails
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    Bam. I'm in
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    Would be dang near impossible to have an XC race there due to the trails design.
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    RE: Percy Warner Racing

    You could do time trail races on each loop. Have a set course and do one loop, than travel to the next loop, time that loop, travel to the next and so on. Only time the loops and not the the in-betweens, similar to how Enduro is timed.
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    yeah, I'm saying though something organized. Like a the monty bell and lock 4 challenge. Where its in the USA cycling catalogs.
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    Chris is onto it. The way to have races at PWP is to have a Summer time trial series like the SORBA Huntsville group does at Monte Sano. Organized, sure, but I don't think it could be anything on the USAC schedule. Just a weekly series of a set number of short TT's with a modest entry fee. One week it could be the Hookman trail, another week it could be Toybox, etc., etc. The Huntsville group does it on Thursdays for 10 weeks and they do each route twice. So 2 races on each of 5 different routes. A rider takes their fastest time on each route. Lowest overall times at the end of the series wins in whatever categories the organizers have decided on. Most of the racers don't take it too seriously - it's just about fun and community building - and they have quite a lot of people participating now, after doing it 2 or 3 years running. The way they do it is to split the entry fees and just give cash prizes at the end.

    After everyone has run the route, most of them just hang out and drink beer, barbecue etc. Of course, we can't hang out and drink beer at PWP (even those of us old enough to drink *ahem), but allegedly there is a clubhouse coming..., and unlike at Monte Sano, post-race night riding is an option here.
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    Sign up for strava. No need to wait for spring to see where you stack up.

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    Clarifying question .. Can I not have a post ride beer in the parking lot?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddlechris View Post
    Clarifying question .. Can I not have a post ride beer in the parking lot?
    Its OK by me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddlechris View Post
    Clarifying question .. Can I not have a post ride beer in the parking lot?
    ok by me too, but not with Park Police. Alcohol is not permitted without getting permits for an event, such as they do at steeplechase. I think it requires having officers present. But no, as far as hanging out in the parking lot, I'd put it in a cup...
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    Dont forget there will be a clubhouse with beer early next year. So you can just go in there and have some beers.

    Open containers of alcohol may be a problem in Metro Parks. I am not sure of the rule for individuals but for events and the like you have to get a permit, have security, police, etc... there are a lot of hoops. Beer at the clubhouse sounds much simpler and easier, unless it is a big event like the opening day back in October.
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    How did this turn in to a "guideline to drinking beer in the park" thread?
    It's not that bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by pump track jim View Post
    How did this turn in to a "guideline to drinking beer in the park" thread?
    As I understand it, beer is synonymous with mountain biking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pump track jim View Post
    How did this turn in to a "guideline to drinking beer in the park" thread?
    From Grahams post above where he said this

    After everyone has run the route, most of them just hang out and drink beer, barbecue etc. Of course, we can't hang out and drink beer at PWP (even those of us old enough to drink *ahem)


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    I made this remark because the OP is 12. I wasn't being literal Chris but thanks for clearing that up for me.
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    I don't see why a combined loop of Hookman and Toybox couldn't be worked out. You would have a 5 mile lap, two for beginner, 3 for Cat 2 and 4 for expert. It would be a fun race. Then TT down the black trail.

    Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done! They said the same thing about Hamilton Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzi View Post
    I don't see why a combined loop of Hookman and Toybox couldn't be worked out. You would have a 5 mile lap, two for beginner, 3 for Cat 2 and 4 for expert. It would be a fun race. Then TT down the black trail.

    Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done! They said the same thing about Hamilton Creek.
    That would work. You'd need to run one of the loops backwards to keep from crossing traffic.
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    yeah run Toybox backwards. Or you can run them as normal and the two would cross but every one would be running in the same direction on the connector so not too big a deal...

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    If you run toybox backwards you would negate the berms on the downhill side of the trail. I think Hookman would be interesting backwards. My two cents
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    Well dont forget the trail head will be moving down to the bottom of green early next year. It would be interesting to see how traffic would work if we did a figure 8 kind of pattern from toybox to hookman then back out. The shared trail would be traveling in the same direction the only issue would be possible congestion in that section. Neat idea for sure.
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    Rubbish. I think you'd do best to run it enduro style. Start time when you take off up the loop, end it when you get back to the trunk, give them ~10 minutes to get to the next loop start. That way no one is racing on the trunk.

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    I think the original question was can we make a TBRA type race at PWP - the answer is yes, easily. Trunk trail is wide enough that it could be two way for a short distance. Hookman would probably have to be run backwards if you wanted to take advantage of the Toybox berms. Making it fit an existing format makes if possible to get the USAC insurance needed to run a race. A unique format type event would certainly work, but the question and challenge of insurance always comes up. Metro requires 1 million in liability.

    Darryl has talked about doing TTs during the summer not only for fun, but to raise money for the club. $2 bucks gets you in, winner gets half, Sorba gets half. I could see that happening on the flow or blue/black trails and would be a lot of fun.

    Or, there is Strava.

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    I like the figure 8/demolition derby option!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Would be dang near impossible to have an XC race there due to the trails design.
    Very True. We are planning TT series in the spring that would allow most of the trail to remain open and offer a closed course on one loop, perhaps hookman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzzi View Post
    I don't see why a combined loop of Hookman and Toybox couldn't be worked out. You would have a 5 mile lap, two for beginner, 3 for Cat 2 and 4 for expert. It would be a fun race. Then TT down the black trail.

    Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done! They said the same thing about Hamilton Creek.
    How about building a parallel trunk. Seems like the perfect solution to two way traffic also. It could probably be built in two days with a D-3 dozer or mini-excavator with a blade. Looks like that's what they used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNcaveman View Post
    How about building a parallel trunk. Seems like the perfect solution to two way traffic also. It could probably be built in two days with a D-3 dozer or mini-excavator with a blade. Looks like that's what they used.

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    Wahoo!!! The TT and/or Enduro options are part of the plan. Any IMBA-SORBA members interested in being on Event/Race Commitee should chime in. We have other fund raisers/socials for winter/spring as well.
    email me at trails@sorbamidtn.org if you are a member and interested.

    Had a good chat with Michael/TBRA contact as well and we can determine best way to complement and keep cost down for racers.

    We can do a group email and get planning. There are many models and a 6 week series can offer discounts for members while offering membership worked into full price of series. 6th race would be GP finals. could mix up TT and race style within series and maybe utilize a different trail (HC, CR, etc...).

    The trouble with runnning a sections backwards is that racers want to practice. you can't practice backwards on a one direction trail the other days of the year. Race commitee can discuss details and Parks/land manager will be at the table and will have to approve any/all events.

    Quote Originally Posted by TNcaveman View Post
    How about building a parallel trunk. Seems like the perfect solution to two way traffic also. It could probably be built in two days with a D-3 dozer or mini-excavator with a blade. Looks like that's what they used.

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    I just don't see they type of excitement around racing at Cane Ridge as opposed to PWP.

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    I don't think he is talking about racing at Cane Ridge. I think he is telling those that want to build more trails, there are opportunities to build at Cane Ridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utarch00 View Post
    I don't think he is talking about racing at Cane Ridge. I think he is telling those that want to build more trails, there are opportunities to build at Cane Ridge.
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